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Date: Sun, 8 May 94 04:30:18 PDT
From: Ham-Digital Mailing List and Newsgroup <ham-digital@ucsd.edu>
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Subject: Ham-Digital Digest V94 #141
To: Ham-Digital
Ham-Digital Digest Sun, 8 May 94 Volume 94 : Issue 141
Today's Topics:
internet via packet
Radio pagers, CAP, POCSAG question.
TAPR News: TAPR507.001-003
Yaesu DVS-3 Voice Recorder
Yaesu FT-5100 and KPC-3 Problem
Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Ham-Digital@UCSD.Edu>
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Archives of past issues of the Ham-Digital Digest are available
(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/ham-digital".
We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text
herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official
policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
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Date: 8 May 1994 00:44:31 -0400
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: internet via packet
To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu
I have heard of hams who have connected their packet systems to internet and
allow e-mail to be sent in both directions through the link. Is there a list
of such sites, especially those on the east coast, with instructions on how
to use them? Could someone post it for everyone's benefit?
Thanks & 73
Jared Hertzberg N2YES
jbhertzb@amhux3.amherst.edu
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Date: 8 May 94 06:40:29 GMT
From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!anon.penet.fi@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: Radio pagers, CAP, POCSAG question.
To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu
Hi,
I have been told that the CAP number of a pager is different to the actual
number broadcast by the pager company. Is there any way to convert the number
that is transmitted to the CAP code?
Please E-mail if you can help. Thanks in advance.
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Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized,
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Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi.
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Date: 8 May 1994 04:48:48 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.unt.edu!ponder.csci.unt.edu!greg@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: TAPR News: TAPR507.001-003
To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu
SB NETSIG @ TAPR $TAPR507.001
NEWS: TAPR NET SIG @ Dayton
Tucson Amateur Packet Radio May 7th, 1994
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TAPR Regional Network Speical Interest Group -- Dayton Report
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nearly 40 hams attended the NETSIG meeting held on Saturday, April 30, in
beautiful, warm, and sunny Dayton, Ohio.
After an initial -- and very interesting -- trip around the room to let
everyone describe their network status and problems, the discussion moved
away from the four specific NETSIG goals and into a more general discussion
of packet networking. Some of the provocative ideas put forward were:
1) Can we <really> build a nationwide RF network in the forseeable future?
The concensus was that we probably can't, at least until we have
geostationary satellites.
2) As network builders, what are our goals? Vic, K1LT, raised this issue
and hopefully he'll be expanding on it in another message. The point is
that the network we build has to be based on what we want to do, and that's
never been well articulated.
3) How do we get user involvement? First the BBS, and now PacketCluster,
could be considered "heavy apps" for packet. But is there another big
app lurking that will make packet networking <really> take off? It's clear
from the discussion that services like "convers" will lure users into
exploring --- and loading -- the network. Several folks thought that the
internet gateways may be it. Jay, WB8TKL, called for a challenge to provide
gateway access on every local network.
4) Following on from that point, the group agreed that training -- both on
using the network, and using the apps -- is critical.
5) And, many felt that the gateways would play a critical role in linking
our networks.
Lots of other issues came up, but these were the major ones (at least, they
were the ones that showed up in the notes!).
Let's keep this discussion going, via the netsig mailing list. What do
<you> think about these issues? To Join, send Internet e-mail to
'listserv@tapr.org' and put in the message body 'join netsig'.
***************
The next meeting of NETSIG will be at the ARRL CNC in Minnesota in August.
73,
John AG9V
jra@lawdept.daytonOH.ncr.com
AG9V@N8ACV.#DAY.OH.USA
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Tucson Amateur Packet Radio
8987-309 E Tanque Verde Rd #337 * Tucson, Az * 85749-9399 * 817-383-0000
/EX
SB BBSSIG @ TAPR $TAPR507.002
NEWS: TAPR BBS SIG @ Dayton
Tucson Amateur Packet Radio May 7th, 1994
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TAPR BBS Special Interest Group -- Dayton Report
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Over 40 people participated in the Dayton meeting of the TAPR
BBS Special Interest Group. Those who attended ranged in
experience from the just plain curious to the very dedicated.
People started gathering prior to the 6:30 PM published meeting
time and were eager to begin discussion. One of the
co-developers of the hierarchical address method used by packet
BBS software, Dave Toth, participated. A member of the ARRL
Digital Committee, Bo McLean, also attended. Their input to
was greatly appreciated by all.
One of the purposes of the meeting was to provide an
opportunity for a free discussion of ideas. While a bit
chaotic, this unstructured exchange was useful. It
permited sysops to hear, first-hand, what issues were important
to sysops in other regions of the country. At Dayton, we were
fortunate to have input from amateurs in Canada and Great
Britain, as well as from most parts of the US.
Before discussion got too far along, an exercise was conducted
in which the active BBS sysops were asked to list the five most
important concerns they had as sysops. This helped to define
some issues which needed to be discussed in more detail in
order for those participating to feel their time at the meeting
was well spent.
Message content was the most frequently mentioned concern to
sysops. Fear over losing one's license for being tied to a
message whose content violated Part 97 was the number one issue
with those attending. Also mentioned very frequently were
accountablility (a close cousin to fear of losing one's
license), the desire for the indentification of a series of
standard '@' fields, and the growing amount of what was termed
'junk mail' which might be displacing P-type messages on the
busier parts of the forwarding network.
Overall, the top-five list exercise and the open discussion
indicated that the issues on the mind of most sysops are
content-related. Only later in the meeting, with a little
steering in that direction, did the focus turn to how TAPR and
the BBS SIG might first concentrate on making the mechanics of BBS
operation more efficient. While the BBS SIG can't directly
impact message content, it is important that participating
sysops be given plenty of time to share what they're thinking
about. Only at a national gathering such as this would
sysops have a chance to find out what sysops across the country
are thinking about.
Sysops from all over generally agreed that what started out as
a means to send personal messages to individuals has
increasingly become a forum for the promotion of ideas and 'for
sale' messages. Many stated that they were somewhat
disillusioned over this metamorphosis. It was further agreed
that there probably isn't enough awareness among users that the
systems to forward messages have physical limits. It will be
worth a try for the sysops to better educate users on this,
starting on a one-to-one basis. Sysops of urban boards were
especially concerned that the networks for forwarding were
going to grind to a halt. No one wanted to inhibit the growth
of packet radio, overly restrict users, turn being a sysop into
a full-time profession, or go broke, keeping up with increasing
traffic amounts.
Eventually, discussion turned to how the TAPR BBS SIG could
begin to help improve the efficiency of BBS operation. Several
of the points made during the Packet Forum presentation on the
BBS SIG were among those mentioned during our meeting:
@ operational issues (rather than content) are good starting points;
@ all of the problems associated with message forwarding can't be
solved at once;
@ a library of hints and kinks collected and maintained by
TAPR would be very helpful. This library could be available
as an on-line service and published as a pamphlet or book;
@ BBS software writers should be made to feel comfortable to
participate in the SIG. It could be a good opportunity for
constructive exchange. We depend upon each other (sysops
and software writers) to keep doing what we are doing in our hobby.
We won't learn anything new and continue to have fun
if we don't communicate with each other;
@ an (inter)national organization, such as TAPR, is well-suited to
transcend regional tendencies to reject ideas not invented
locally;
Several resolutions were made. One was that the group that met
was to reaffirm the use of the two-letter continental
designators until the matter could be studied in depth. The
group also resolved that TAPR study and issue a list of
most-frequently-used 'TO' and '@' fields. Yet another
resolution by the group was for TAPR to recommend a common
flood bulletin structure.
A meeting by a smaller group of sysops on took place on
Saturday evening while the NET SIG meeting was held. This
smaller group reviewed the discussions of the previous
evening. It was agreed that a Request for Comment be prepared
and issued. Incorporated into this RFC would be solicitation
of input for a proposed set of setup tips for the most popular
BBS software in use today. More information on this will be
published on the BBSSIG Internet forum as it is prepared. It
is expected that the collection of setup tips will be completed
in time for the ARRL Digital Conference being held in
Minneapolis in August.
The next in-person meeting of the TAPR BBS SIG will be held at
the Digital Conference. As always, you are encouraged to use
the Internet forum established by TAPR to exchange ideas and
request help from other sysops.
To Join the TAPR BBS SIG, send Internet e-mail to 'listserv@tapr.org'
and put in the message body 'join bbssig'.
73 de Dave Wolf WO5H @ WO5H.#DFW.TX.USA.NA (or NOAM)
Internet: dwolf@tcet.unt.edu
CompuServe: 73427,2246
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Tucson Amateur Packet Radio
8987-309 E Tanque Verde Rd #337 * Tucson, Az * 85749-9399 * 817-383-0000
/EX
SB TAPR @ TAPR $TAPR507.003
NEWS: TAPR Dayton Report
Tucson Amateur Packet Radio May 7th, 1994
------------------------------------------------------------------------
TAPR at Dayton
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Dayton, 1994
Dayton this year for TAPR was great. Mel Whitten, K0PFX, Dave Wolf, WO5H,
Dorothy Jones, KA5DWR, John Bennett, N4XI, John Ackerman, AG9V, Fred
Treasure, KE5CI, Bob Stricklin, N5BRG, Shelton McAnelly, KD5SL, and Adam
Tate, AB5PO, made working the booth a lot of fun. If I missed anyone,
thanks for helping. We were short-handed a number of times, but were able
to keep the booth manned with Dorothy and two others most of the time.
Attendance at Dayton seemed to be about the same but the weather was
awful! It rained the entire weekend and then got cold and rainy on Sunday
(snow flurries were predicted!). This was good and bad. It kept the flea
market folks inside looking at the exhibit stuff, but then made the in-door
convention areas so crowded that it would take literally forever to move
from booth to booth.
The Friday Packet Forum, moderated by Bob Neben, K9BL, saw a number of TAPR
members making presentations. I presented the opening talk on Packet Radio
for the Beginner, which saw a turnout with about 50% or a little less novice
or potential new users. The TAPR/AMSAT DSP-93 Project was presented by Bob
Stricklin, N5BRG. Dave Wolf, WO5H, discussed current happenings in the TAPR
BBS SIG. Mel Whitten, K0PFX, made a presentation on Interfacing WX Data to
Packet, followed by John Bennett, N4XI, speaking on WX Station Interfaces.
John Ackerman, AG9V, made a presentation on the TAPR Regional Network SIG
and its current direction and efforts. Dewayne Hendricks, WA8DZP, discussed
current FCC Regulatory Issues and the impact they might have on digital
communications in the future. I hope I didn't miss anyone, but the forum as
usual was well attended for the whole time. Another good job this year, Bob.
The Friday and Saturday night SIG meetings were a success although the room
we had at the Radisson was almost as bad as the weather. The room was hot
and stuffy both nights. Friday night the air conditioner was broken and on
Saturday night they had it fixed, but turned on the heat since it was
supposed to be down to 34 degrees that night -- couldn't win. We made do,
but we definitely will want to fix this for next year. I will be working
with John Ackerman, Bob Neben, and Robert (of the national packet round
table) next year to think about ways we can organize the Friday and Saturday
night activities. We have access to space at the Roadway Inn or we might be
looking for some place else. Have a few months to get everything lined up.
The Saturday evening meal at McNasty's was well attended, but a number of
folks believe that a change here is due. If you have an opinion one way or
the other please let us know at the office. I think we will look at having
a packet forum Friday night along with the BBS SIG. More packet talks or
something. Then on Saturday we will look at a possible change in dinner
locations which will allow us to hold the NET SIG and different general
discussion groups. I would like to still have a place at the Radisson since
it is easy for the group to get to and it also allows a common place for
people to stay up past midnight to chat. So, will have to think carefully
about this. The NET SIG meeting on Saturday had folks up past midnight
talking technical issues.
I think we can consider Dayton another success this year. If you didn't make
it this year, you should plan to come next year. Dayton is a lot of fun and
TAPR plans to do more packet activities next year. Till then!
---
If you wish to join the tapr-bb mail list, send Internet e-mail to
'listserv@tapr.org' and place in the message body 'join tapr-bb'. TAPR
sends out various bulletins via this mail group.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tucson Amateur Packet Radio
8987-309 E Tanque Verde Rd #337 * Tucson, Az * 85749-9399 * 817-383-0000
/EX
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Date: 7 May 1994 17:47:02 -0400
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!news.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Yaesu DVS-3 Voice Recorder
To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu
Anyone familiar with this unit? Would it's 8k bit/sec mode be suitable for
SSTV pictures? any comments appreciated....de WB5NBQ
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Date: 6 May 1994 18:18:05 -0400
From: newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Yaesu FT-5100 and KPC-3 Problem
To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu
In article <2p0n9u$eau@post.its.mcw.edu>, mmjjmm@post.its.mcw.edu (Michael
Malloy) writes:
Hi , I have the same problem, but to an AEA PK232... I cut a resistor in the
PK232 and that helped, but still very weak audio.. good idea on Yaesu's part,
but somehow lost in translation I think.
You are not alone!
73 de Bob KA5GLX Houston TX
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End of Ham-Digital Digest V94 #141
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